yo man Oh boy don't get me started on this one. The guy at Cabelas: I can't get you anything shorter than 16". Me: I'm not asking about that, I'm just looking for make/model. Cabelas: look! we can't get you a short barrel shotgun that's illegal! Me: I never brought it up! Cabelas: sir! Me: dude! (true story, not word for word but pretty close)